@ainmosni@berlin.social@tess @alienghic@octodon.social @mekkaokereke
yeah that they went for those vehicles is telling, we should be trying to get rid of that class of vehicle as they are not even useful for what they are advertised.
That said, I'd go even further and say that unless there's a good reason, personal vehicles should just not be in cities. Have big parking facilities at transit hubs on the edge where people can leave their car and hop in transit.
@ainmosni that's a good idea for the public who is not disabled. For the elderly and disabled, what about them?
@deepmud that falls under "a good reason".
Also, the elderly reach a point where driving is the absolute worst mode of transport for them and everyone else.
I've lived in cities where the elderly walk and take transit, and where they and the disabled have special busses that picked them up, or have small mini cars that help them get around but only go 20ish km/h.
There's options, many of them even.
Also, since when is it easier for people with physical limitations to drive than to take transit?
@ainmosni it is pretty much *always* easier for the disabled to drive rather than use transit. It's also a whole lot safer due to assaults and falls on buses
Walking to a bus is out, standing on a bus is impossible, walking from the bus to wherever is difficult. Balance issues make lurching buses into deathtraps for the elderly.
When you're elderly and disabled, you may learn something.
These issues may be overcome by good planning, but it's not a simple problem
@deepmud
You can have a system that's specially made for disabled people, that picks them up in front of their home. And you can have all the essential services so close to home that the car is not even needed for most of your life.
Just because driving might be easier where you live, doesn't mean that's the case everywhere.
And I know enough disabled people that can't drive because of their disability... And most people over a certain age shouldn't drive, for everyone's safety.
For the last two groups, having a car dependent society condemns them to not being able to move around without charity.
@ainmosni this remark doesn't make sense to me.
If you build a society where you need a car to get around for basic stuff like groceries. People who aren't able to drive independently, like the elderly or certain types of disabled people will not be able to do those things without the charity of others.
@ainmosni technically, we have grocery delivery people who fill that role
It would have been better not to get to where we are (thanks a whole lot, oil companies!), and we definitely need to change. But change can be harder for elderly/disabled and most are driving cars. Here, anyway.
@deepmud
Oh, change is very difficult, but the first step is to decide that we want that. And for that decision, it's good to know that we have options.
@ainmosni *Nothing* is the case "everywhere".
