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Mina

I love it!

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@mina @bruces wait… why is Merry quasi royalty? I'm missing something...

@mem

»Meriadoc "Merry" Brandybuck, called The Magnificent, was a Hobbit, the son of Saradoc Brandybuck. [...] Saradoc "Scattergold" Brandybuck was a Hobbit and Master of Buckland.«

tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Meriad

@bruces

@pseudosage

True! Will change the alt-text

@mem @bruces

@mina @pseudosage @mem @bruces Ah, I didn't realize that about the Took.

I was long frustrated that they never explain how Bilbo made his living before he goes off on an adventure. It's a detail I could ignore in The Hobbit, when we don't see anything of the Shire except Bilbo's house, but we do see gradations of status in LOTR. I figured Bilbo was probably sort of a minor gentry landlord, on the model of 19th century novels that are too "polite" to mention why the idle rich have money.

@foolishowl

I remember from "the Hobbit" that the Baggins family was a well respected one (which usually means: of money).

I always believed that Bilbo was kind of a land owner, living from rent.

@pseudosage @mem @bruces

@mina @mem @bruces "Quasi-royalty" here seems to refer to people with a role like "steward" of some nation.

Which makes sense.

@mina @bruces
But (there is always one)
Sam was the only one with a happy family life at the end.
(But (again) this is probably the common myth about common people, set from aristocrats, I think.)

@mina @bruces who are any of these people and where did they get such terrible fashion sense

@pr14minus

Was soll mit Galadriel sein?

Sie gehörte ja nicht zur Gemeinschaft, genauso wenig wie Elrond.

@bruces

@mina @bruces

Excuse me, but Frodo is not low ranked aristocracy. He is high ranked commoner. He's a member of the Gentry, not the nobility.

@mina @bruces The only person he caries is Frodo and that only once Frodo is too injured to continue. The other royalty all do heavy lifting, even Boromir, before he dies.

The image isn’t telling the story that the meme creator thinks it is.

@MartyFouts

I reckon, you put too much thought into it.

@bruces

@mina @bruces More like the author put too little. Now if they had said something about the fellowship being entirely male. . ,

@mina @bruces If Master gave him a sock, Sam would've given it back. He knew his place.

@DoNotPunchDown

Excellent, indeed, but have you seen the one on car walking?

berlin.social/@mina/1147894604

@mina

No, I hadn't. Thank you. It's hilarious. Took me awhile to read it because I had to translate all the replies. Used AI for that 😆

@mina @DoNotPunchDown making me wish I could read German.

@ELS @mina

I just used a translator. Not google. I stay away from that thing. But it didn't take too long and was worth it imo.

But yeah, being able to just read German would have been a lot easier 😆

@mina @bruces

Pippin's dad is the Thain, so he is also quasi-royalty, though decayed royalty might be closer.

Gimli is also a royal cousin.

I'll fetch my coat ...

Gimli is also royally cussin, sometimes. 😏

@iaruffell @mina @bruces

@mina @bruces The fact that Sam is Frodo's servant in the beginning, rather than a friend, is massively downplayed in the movie.

In the books there is much more development between the two characters.

@mistakenotmy

You're damn right about this aspect, and yet: The trilogy remains an excellent adaption, other than the abomination that was "The Hobbit".

@bruces

@mina @mistakenotmy @bruces

🍿 waiting for the Tom Bombadil replies to this post 🍿

@mina @j3j5 @bruces Tom Bombadil was not in the movie so he would not know anything about it 😀

@mistakenotmy @mina @j3j5 @bruces And I remember how deeply disappointed me and my friends were about that... We hoped he would appear in the long DVD version, but alas...

@ScriptFanix

I have to defend Jackson here.

Tom is irrelevant for the story.

@mistakenotmy @j3j5 @bruces

@j3j5 @mina @mistakenotmy @bruces I'd simply say that the trilogy turned contemplative books in action movies. I was unable to watch the third to the end.

(Many people who loved the movies hated the books, which they found too slow and boring; this is not a surprise to me... I'm much more surprised by the amount of people who loved both)

@HydrePrever

I have read the books about a dozen times over the years (strangely enough, with every lecture, I keep discovering new aspects).

When I'm saying, the films were a good adaption, I'm not implying, they were completely faithful.

Books and films are different forms of art and deserve to be judged independently of each other.

I mean: Nobody ever accused Mozart of leaving out the nuances of Beaumarchais' play in "La nozze di Figaro".

@j3j5 @mistakenotmy @bruces

@mina @j3j5 @mistakenotmy @bruces when I say that the movies dropped out the contemplative parts of the book, to keep mostly action scenes, I'm not talking about being totally faithful. I'm talking of the spirit of the work. But never mind, I'm not denying anyone the right to love the movies.

(And I'm not entering a contest about the number of times I read the books. What's more significant maybe is that I read them before I saw the movies, that I was really young the first time I read them, and that I read them again and again for years.)

@mina @bruces what would a tranny know about how aristocracy and noble status was granted