@ainmosni@berlin.socialSo, I have the feeling that the #fediverse is a very left-wing dominated space. Let's see if that feeling is correct.
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Right-wing and so called center are still on Twitter 
it's a problem. I'm left but I want everyone here except harassers. much of the left today considers views they disagree with and that which they consider misinfo to be so personally painful to encounter for some (or likely to lead to real world harm) such that cutting off access to it is proper for everybody. rampant defederating is justified.
many on the right also want to shut down voices they don't like, but they do it via edgelordism. saying rude shit so others leave or STFU.
@wjmaggos I honestly think a big problem is that we lost a lot of nuance in political discourse by just flattening it to left vs right.
Things are so much more complex, but that so often gets lost because who has time for nuance when we need to cheer on our team.
@ainmosni I consider the leftright wing idea very alienating as a concept. No space for diversity other than 3 big groups (one of them defined quite smudgily), lots of history that is unsolved, and much people who will not hesitate to stamp you as AfD or bolshevik fanboi if you dare to cross the mainstream thinking direction of either of the groups.
(Is this a centric view?)
@ainmosni I consider myself centre but apparently stuff like not wanting to make life totally shit for others is a left wing attitude
It shouldn't be, but I think flattening our political discourse to a single axis has fucked us in a huge way.
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If it transpires that it is left wing, that's fine with me. Leave the other trash can site to the fascists 
Well, someone on Twitter just called me a "Leftie Luvvie liberal" so I must be left wing.
Por mi parte me encuentro comodísimo con el amplio predominio izquierdista en el Fediverso, pero para que el Fediverso prospere sería conveniente mayor diversidad política. Claro que es muy difícil resultar más atractivo que las redes corporativas para el usuario políticamente conservador.
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@ainmosni Even the genocide deniers on here identify as left wing.
@ainmosni I am scared of 1% that voted right wing
@Satanic_catboy I honestly believe that you can be a good person while being right wing. It's just that we flattened our political discourse so much, that right wing means much more than it actually should. Same for left wing.
@ainmosni Yeah I agree, but I'm more or so curious as to why someone on fedi would choose to be right wing
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I also like that Mastodon is a Left oriented space.
I'll tell you what though, I am curious about the Rightwingers who willingly choose to inhabit these lands
@ainmosni There are definitely parts leaning right, but the parts leaning left tend to block servers that lean right obviously.
@Anke I'd hope that would only go for the bigoted ones, not the ones that are right wing without bigotry.
@ainmosni Sounds like a contradiction in terms to me. How can you be right wing without being a bigot?
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There's a bimodal distribution, but the populations don't mix. The right-wing instances are defederated by most so estimating their prevalence is very hard.
@angelastella Fair point, although the defederated instances don't seem to be considered when people talk about the fediverse.
That's true, but they're there and aren't going anywhere. The same can be said of the child porn ones, at least for the moment.
@angelastella Also, I would like to think that people wouldn't defederate instances that are right wing but not bigoted.
That's a tight needle to thread.
@angelastella In theory it doesn't need to be. I mean, right/left is mainly about economical systems. I think making our political discourse so one dimensional has killed so much nuance and made things so "us vs them".
Not all economical systems respect human dignity in the same measure.
Hell, WTF do I know, I'm from Argentina.
@ainmosni @angelastella I don't agree with reducing left-vs-right wing to a matter of "mostly economic systems". I wonder where this extremely limiting definition comes from (and probably that is related to your difficulty of separating bigotry from the right-wing).
I think you're misunderstanding me, my point was more that talking just about left/right misses a lot of nuance.
There's also progressive vs conservative, authoritarian vs libertarian (not the creepy dudes who want to remove the age of consent) and more.
There's enough left wing bigots in this world to prove it's not an exclusive trait to either side.
Yes, I'm the kind of left-wing bigot that thinks that no one ever should command enough wealth to buy politicians.
And proposes this as a stopgap.
You're better off blocking me.
@angelastella for a while I've wondered what the connectivity graph of the #fediverse looks like
Great question, and not that difficult to research, I think.
@ainmosni neither but I'm voting blue
Blue as in US democrats?
@ainmosni That's actually a fact. But there's an explanation : Mastodon is a large part of the Fedi, and its "server covenant" is pretty explicit.
If you want your server to be listed on the official Mastodon website, you have to do "active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia".
The whole network is basically showing right wing folks the door. https://joinmastodon.org/covenant
The thing is, I don't consider any of that inherently left-wing.
It’s very telling that anti-bigotry policies have the effect of excluding right-wingers. That Mastodon policy doesn’t proscribe specific economic opinions, nor opinions about political systems, nor anything along those lines. Yet the right wingers vanish when you exclude bigots. 
@burgervege @ainmosni this.
In the US, there is a higher chance that a right-wing person likes one or more of the bigotries and/or politically supports politicians that directly or indirectly give power to those bigotries.
Ex. The Republican dominated state of Texas.
Folks voting red may claim to not hate blacks, or LGBTQ+, but the laws coming out from their party sure seem to target them.
Fed rules trip these people up.
Don’t be a bigot. Your politics may follow.
@ainmosni I am weird I consider myself center and I am here
@ainmosni Probably still very centery-lwft but ever more left-radicalised by the Fediverse. XD
@ainmosni No Anarchist option? 
I only have 4 options, this is more general, was planning to do a more "what flavour of left" poll later.
@ainmosni I'm only seeing three options in the list,. don't describe myself as any of those three as a type of flavour. But anyways, that's just me and I'm also a self described weirdo 
Good luck with your research 
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@petelawler
As someone who considers himself an anarchist, I would consider myself left on this axis.
@petelawler @ainmosni They mean 4 is the limit on this system.
@petelawler @ainmosni If you cannot put yourself in the political spectrum of decades of humanity history is not because you're a weirdo, but likely because you're a coward.
I’m the weirdo.
I consider myself simply an ethical humanist.
Everyone else thinks I’m further left than Lenin and Mao especially since I embrace nonviolence.
@Aphrodite Well, a problem with how we speak about left/right is that we make it seem like it's the only axis that matters. We also have the axes of authoritarianism vs liberalism, and progressivism vs conservatism.
Many people think that left is automatically progressive and mild liberal but that doesn't have to be the case, and often isn't.
@Aphrodite @ainmosni
You're not a weirdo, unless of course we both are, since I try to live an ethical humanist life too..
I think it's a stance that puts us left of centre, but as an effect rather than a choice.
@Aphrodite @ainmosni
I also try as best I can to be a decent person and kind, and I, too, am therefore perceived to be on the extreme Left
